Dec 4, 2012 4:00pm EST
sense is they've done a lot of work. the problem is if you look at revenue, president obama wants about twice what the republicans are offering. if you look at spending, the republicans run about twice what obama is offering. they got to figure out how to come together on this. they're arguing over rates or deductions, which makes no sense. i mean, it's like you want to go on a trip. we decide we're going on a trip together. we're going to argue about whether we're taking a bus or a train. just figure out how much money you want from revenue, figure out who you're going to get it from, figure out how you're going to protect people, then figure out the formulas. >> and the white house wants the money to come from a specific place. he doesn't necessarily want $1.6 trillion clean. he wants it to come from higher tax rates. >> and i think it's fine say where you want to get the $1.6 trillion or $800 billion from. you ought to just call -- i want to get it from people who make more than $250,000 as opposed to trying to lock people into a formula. what you really need is money. >> you p
Dec 3, 2012 7:00pm EST
who use them. republicans have responded to a fiscal cliff counter offer to president obama. eamon javers joins us now from washington with all the details. good evening. >> reporter: good evening. leapt me walk you through the specifics or at least what specifics we have so far from this boehner counter offer and you can see where it falls short from the white house's perspective right in the top line take a look at the details here. boehner and the other house republicans are asking for $800 billion in new tax reform revenue. that's short of the $1.6 trillion that the president would like to see there. also health savings of $600 billion. mandatory savings of $300 billion. revisions of cpa of 200 billion. other discretionary saving 300 billion. they say net savings is $2.2 trillion all told. the white house says this plan is not balanced, and interestingly there's a little side skirmish here between the speaker of the house john boehner and erskine bowls. boehner said this was based on a report that bowles laid out. bawls said no. he said the approach laid out does not represent
Dec 4, 2012 6:00am EST
republicans should be able to see higher entitlement cuts, that that should be part of this conversation. >> obama doesn't listen to him at this point. do you see how this is on? it's as tenuous as the talks themselves. leechb one way or the other, it falls off. anything the slightest movement respect, and the cliff -- we're not rising above. you're getting a hum on my microphone? i'm fine. the audio guy. interrupts the show to tell me there is a hum and there isn't a hum. >> i appreciate that. also senator harry reid says that republicans need to, quote, get serious. both sides are saying this, both sides -- a lot of kabuke theater. >> everyone got disgusted. nobody needs that image. >> the fiscal cliff will certainly be one of the main topics of discussion when president obama meets with some of the nation's governors today. actually i think they're meeting with vice president biden. then governors will be meeting with some of the congressional leadership, as well. but you guys are watching this, we know this is drama and theater. do you think a deal gets struck at the end of the day?
Dec 4, 2012 4:00am EST
rejects counteroffer from republicans as both sides remain far apart on avoiding the fiscal cliff. president obama meanwhile will meet with some of the nation's governors to talk about the cliff, growth and deficit reduction. and oracle puts the pedal to the metal, the company accelerates difference denied payments and larry ellison is the big winner. it's tuesday, december 4th, 2012, "squawk box" begins right now.
Dec 4, 2012 1:00pm EST
the other end of pennsylvania avenue, as you say with president barack obama, the speaker making that $800 billion proposal yesterday, but that is not sitting very well conservatives up here on capitol hill. take a look at this statement from senator jim demint of south carolina, conservative republican. he said speaker boehner's $800 billion tax hike will destroy american jobs and allow politicians in washington to spend even more while not reducing our $16 trillion debt by a single penny. that's jim demint you can the con s -- the conservative senator. i talked to mitch mcconnell, the republican leader up here. he didn't seem as bothered by the boehner proposal. he told me i'm glad that they are at least talking and harry reid said something very interesting to me, the democratic senate leader. he said that boehner might be in a position now where he has to choose between keeping the speakership and protect country, very tough stakes from harry reid, really putting you the pressure on speaker boehner. tyler? >> we are hearing word that potentially new senator elizabeth warren o
Dec 4, 2012 9:00am EST
. >> sticking with the cliff, governors are set to meet with president obama and congressional leaders. the meeting coming one day after the white house rejected a republican plan for averting the cliff. chi chief washington correspondent john harwood is outside of the white house this morning. how do business leaders change the equation? >> reporter: the president is trying to orchestrate a consensus behind his approach to deficit reduction. this is a group part of the national governors association executive committee. a diverse group. he carried three states he represents and governors include scott walker, leader of conservative government reform movement going after public employee pensions and shrink government obligations that way. governors are pragmatic. the president is trying to make the case if you look at polls and revenue needs of the government and ageing of our population, the pragmatic thing to do is trim entitlements. the significance of speaker boehner's offer yesterday he put specifics on entitlements on the table. they are significant raising the medicare eligibility ag